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Re: Ucraina - Kharkov

Mesajde Aron » Mie, 12 Feb 2014, 17:18

Tom scrie:
Aron scrie:Sper ca te-a ajutat raspunsul Tom, daca ai intrebari, te rog pune.
Спасибі pentru informatii. Si sigur mai am intrebari.
Marshrutka sunt private sau sunt tot ale companiei de transport? Se merge cu ele tot in stilul maxi-taxi din Romania?
Cat costa calatoria? Dar abonamentul pe zi sau luna?

In rest, felicitari fostei URSS ca nu a facut praf transportul public. Din punctul asta de vedere, cred ca ar fi o greseala ca Ukraïna sa intre in noua U(E)RSS.

Si o ultima intrebare: e safe de mers pe acolo, ca oras? N'as risca sa ma duc singur sau fara cineva care sa cunoasca zona. Poate daca ajung unde mi-am propus sa ma duc, trec si pe la Kharkov :) Apropo de asta, trebuie remarcat, daca tot ai mentionat cate trasee si cate autobuze are orasul, ca orasul Pripyat avea in 1986 un parc de autobuze aproape cat orasul Iasi, la o populatie de 4-5 ori mai mica. La Kiev nu vreau sa ma gandesc, comparativ cu Bucuresti :twisted:


1. Da, apartine companiei de transport.
2. Nu, au statii predefinite ca si troleele si liniile de autobuz. Fara opriri intre statii/semafoare...etc.
Iti mai zic mai tarziu restul, ca sunt pe graba si am raspuns acuma la primele 2 ca a fost putin de scris. :D
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Re: Ucraina - Kharkov

Mesajde Aron » Mie, 12 Feb 2014, 18:25

Revenind:
Deci costul: La troleibuze si tramvaie este pret unic de 2 grivne( 80-90 de bani, 1 grivna vine in jur de 40 de bani), iar la autobuze difera intre 2,50- 4 grivne. Iar la cele preorasenesti pretul este un functie de distanta. Cel mai mult ajungand si la 11 grivne(~ 4 lei).

Iar cu ultima parte ar fi mult de discutat. In primul rand daca ai aceasta idee de a face o calatorie acolo, spera ca se vor incheia aceste "manifeste" pana in primvara, mai apoi in vara sa poti sa mergi linistit. Pana sa inceapa toata nebunia asta, sincer chiar era safe sa te plimbi fara nicio grija, mai ales in sud, centru si est(vest mai sunt cateva exceptii, fiind o zona mai saraca), dar de cand cu evenimtenele ce se desfasoara acolo e chiar riscant sa faci vreo miscare pe acolo in momentul asta, deoarece in fiecare oras sunt grupuri de oameni, asa-zisi nationalisti, care nu privesc cu ochi buni strainii. O sa dau detalii la "Club", ca sunt multe chestii de zis care la posturile nationale se musamalizeaza sau nu se dau. Si nu o sa regreti daca treci prin orasul Kharkov. Mai ales dupa EURO, s-a schimbat mult la fata si ai ce sa vezi. De mentionat faptul ca orasul are ~2 miil loc(deci cam cat Bucurestiul) dar ca oras nu este mare ci mai mult extins.

P.S: In Kiev daca ajungi neaparat sa mergi pe linia de tramvai ce iese din oras si are cel mai frumos traseu, dar si pentru metroul lor usor :). Atasez o poza cu traseul respectiv ca sa-ti faci o idee. [url]transphoto.ru[/url]

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Re: Ucraina - Kharkov

Mesajde Tom » Vin, 14 Feb 2014, 11:46

Exista si abonamente? Daca as vrea sa ma plimb prin oras, as vrea sa merg cu abonament, nu stiu cum e pe acolo cu biletul, dar sunt satul de RATB, RATx din RO, asa ca prefer sa platesc odata si sa merg cat vreau. Dupa cum spuneai, nu toate controloarele sunt ca Natasha aia. Daca ar fi ca aia, i-as plati si amenda, in natura :lol:
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Re: Ucraina - Kharkov

Mesajde Buba » Mie, 30 Iul 2014, 22:39

Hello, i am from Kharkov. Can't speak romanian, but know english a little bit. Please ask me questions about transportation in our city and near it
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Re: Ucraina - Kharkov

Mesajde stakee » Joi, 31 Iul 2014, 09:06

Do any of the Rocar/Dac trolleybuses operate or at least exist in a state of conservation?
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Re: Ucraina - Kharkov

Mesajde Buba » Joi, 31 Iul 2014, 10:10

http://transphoto.ru/list.php?serv=0&mid=470&cid=101 page of Kharkov rocars on transportation photosite. Dacs are scrapped, rocars seems to be conserved about year ago. But relevant information is unknown
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Re: Ucraina - Kharkov

Mesajde Buba » Lun, 04 Aug 2014, 22:29

Several comments about posts in this topic.

Imagine
Only elevated track of our metro. Bridge over the swamp and small river. http://wikimapia.org/13157104/Kharkiv-Metro-Bridge

Imagine
Quite rare 81-718/719 train. Built in early 90s. In use at the green line of Kharkov metro and in Tashkent

Imagine
Depot of the red and green line. [url]http://wikimapia.org/3073000/ru/Электродепо-«Моско́вское»-ТЧ-1[/url]

Imagine
At the left you see electric locomotive for cargo tram line. We had three of them. They are not in service, but seems to be conserved. Made from MTV-82 in our tram service plant. http://transphoto.ru/photo/282072/ here is photo in action. Line was from http://wikimapia.org/14368616/Connecting-gate to [url]http://wikimapia.org/10236728/ru/Кондитерская-фабрика-«Харьковчанка»[/url] , quite short. Line was rarely used for cargo and regularly for passenger traffic. Cargo traffic was cancelled at middle 90s, passenger at 2001. Tracks were very bad. Line removed in 2013.

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Tram in depot. viewtopic.php?p=50799#p50799 This comment is not correct, or badly translated by google.
[url]http://wikimapia.org/7370547/ru/Салтовское-трамвайное-депо[/url] here is map. It is really huge, but has no connection with railroads at all. Placed near the city border to cover huge district (about 350k) with trams. Built at 70s. To the left on the map you see abandoned trolleybus depot, never in service.
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Re: Ucraina - Kharkov

Mesajde Costin » Lun, 04 Aug 2014, 22:37

Buba scrie:http://forum.metrouusor.com/viewtopic.php?p=50799#p50799 This comment is not correct, or badly translated by google.
[url]http://wikimapia.org/7370547/ru/Салтовское-трамвайное-депо[/url] here is map. It is really huge, but has no connection with railroads at all. Placed near the city border to cover huge district (about 350k) with trams. Built at 70s. To the left on the map you see abandoned trolleybus depot, never in service.

The comment just says the depot is near the train station and the railroad tracks, not connected with them, so it was, maybe, just a bad translation.
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Re: Ucraina - Kharkov

Mesajde Buba » Lun, 04 Aug 2014, 22:41

No railroads in this part of city
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Re: Ucraina - Kharkov

Mesajde Costin » Lun, 04 Aug 2014, 22:48

To be honest, it is a bit unclear for me what he wanted to say (his phrase is a bit confusing in Romanian as well), this is the best translation i could give, in these conditions:

Iar dupa cum se observa in poza nr. 11 de la tramvaiul cu nr de parc #4555, se observa cat de mare este depoul asta datorita faptului ca se afla langa Caile ferate ucrainene, si este cel mai mare depou din tara si la nici 1 km distanta se afla gara.......acolo fiind un fost depou al locomotivelor de prin anii 88'

"As you can see in picture no. 11 of the tram no. 4555, you can see how big is this depot because it is next to the Ucrainian Railroad (Company), it is the biggest depot in the country and at about 1km there is the train station, this is because around the year '88 there was a locomotive depot in that area." At least this is what I understood...
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Re: Ucraina - Kharkov

Mesajde Buba » Lun, 04 Aug 2014, 22:56

This district was built approximately in 1968-1980 just in unpopulated location. Before the construction here were some small agriculturlal facilities, but never railroad. Closest railroad is about the metro depot, link in my above post, in 8 km or so. Really it is other side of city. Passenger terminal is 15 km away
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Re: Ucraina - Kharkov

Mesajde Buba » Mar, 05 Aug 2014, 21:40

About trolleybuses. We have several variants of ZIU-682, LAZ E301 (articulated) and LAZ E183 (short) in passenger service. LAZ were bought to Euro 2012. Several ZIU-683 and UMZ-T1 also present. Recently city bought some second hand Skoda 14Tr from Riga. Contract is not finished, so new 14Tr still arrive. ROCARs 217 are keeped in depot. For service needs we have several cargo KTG trolleybuses, made in Kiev.
City had two depots, one is abandoned and one is cancelled during construction.

Several photos:

Modern variant of ZIU-682:
Imagine
http://transphoto.ru/photo/705868/

Old variant of ZIU-682:
Imagine
http://transphoto.ru/photo/699813/

Very old variant of the same. Only one car is alive, used for drivers education:
Imagine
http://transphoto.ru/photo/445416/
Main visual difference is form of lights.

LAZ E183:
Imagine
http://transphoto.ru/photo/629488/

LAZ E301:
Imagine
http://transphoto.ru/photo/692272/
Notice that second and third axle are drived

UMZ-T1
Imagine
http://transphoto.ru/photo/706206/
Very common practice in other city is removing of trailer in case of some accident or electric fail. Such short trolleybuses were in production, called UMZ-T2. But in Kharkov were never had them.

ZIU-683
Imagine
http://transphoto.ru/photo/485213/
Only second axle is drived. This trolleybus is underpowered and not suitable for hilly cities

KTG
Imagine
http://transphoto.ru/photo/521929/
Initially it had petroleum and electric engine, so radiator grill is present behind the lifter. Trolleybus with engine really is bus, so we have some law collision like need of license plate and so on. And engine is weak (95 hp) and with very bad fuel economy, so it is removed often.
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